Editing Talk:Super Smash Bros. (series)

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You can's just copy to wikipedia site. There are templates and categories that do not apply to the Mario Wiki. --[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] 18:33, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

::Normally, I'd clear the page with a note about plagiarism. But, this article has been here for a while. I'll leave it to community vote. Change it or delete it and start anew? -- [[User:Ghost Jam|Ghost Jam]] 20:24, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

::: Been here awhile? Check the history, buddy. 'Twas made today. --[[User:DarkInsanity|DarkInsanity]] ('''''[[User_talk:DarkInsanity|talk]]''''')

::::Oops, you are correct. I looked at the page and was thinking about the  [[Super Smash Bros.]] page. My mistake. -- [[User:Ghost Jam|Ghost Jam]] 23:27, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

::::: I think we should try to change any article that has been directly copied from Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a good resource. In fact, I use it all the time to help me write my articles. However, I do not copy the articles word for word. What's the point of having a Mario Wiki if you can find the exact same information on Wikipedia. The same applies to the other articles LuigiAD has been working on. I think the new Wii game articles need to be rewritten by a member of the Mario Wiki community. Heck, I'll even rewrite them. Game articles are not my strong suit but it would be better than copying. --[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] 21:33, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

:::: My thoughts on the issue exactly. When I made the Nintendo 64 page, I had used the Wikipedia as a source for information, but I had wrote my own article. Directly copying Wikipedia pages is either a sign of laziness, or just wanting to get the pages full. Makes me sick! --[[User:DarkInsanity|DarkInsanity]] ('''''[[User_talk:DarkInsanity|talk]]''''')

== Luigi ==

where did you get that Luigi is in Brawl?

{{user:Dry Bones/sig|Hmmm...}}

== Purpose of this page ==
What's the purpose of this page? It does not offer any information about what the series is about, only a random list of characters, items and locations, comparable to that of the [[PipeProject:Super Smash Bros.|PipeProject]]. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:49, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

Yah, maybe this has gotta to go.{{User:Knife/sig}} 14:42, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

== Items ==

As with the characters' table, maybe we should do a similar one with the items? {{User:Smiddle/sig}} 06:29, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
:This page looks so useless to me. When you didn't know what the Smash Bros. series was, what would this page tell you? Nothing. It's just a random, unencyclopedic list (as discussed above). I don't think we need any more tables. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 06:31, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

Yah, maybe this has gotta to go.{{User:Knife/sig}} 22:47, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

== Stage Music ==

Should we state on the stage articles what music plays on the stage? {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
:In Melee it wasn't important except for those with a music not from the same series as the stage. For Brawl, we should wait until the game is released to see how many different music tracks there really are. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 07:35, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

== Dark Link?? ==

Where was he seen? Dark Link doesn't mean a dark costume for [[Link]], but rather [[Dark Link]], the character who is completely black. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 10:57, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

The REAL Dark Link is an alternate cosume in Brawl.{{unsigned|Gowser}}
:That doesn't make him a non-playable character. On the contrary. He has no place on this page. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 14:16, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

== Entrances ==

Should we create page on character entrances, seeing that they'll return in Brawl? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 04:10, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
:Finally, first good idea I've heard all Month. You have officially made me happier to be on the Wiki (This is NOT sarcasm, contrary to popular belief). However, at this moment, I would say mention their ''[[Super Smash Bros.]]'' entrances on the characters articles, no need to make a seperate article. As for the ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'' entrances, wait a little while, OK? {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
::What's an "entrance"? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 07:35, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

How the characters appear during a battle in the game (Mario comes out of a Warp Pipe, etc.) -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]
:Well, you can put a note on the characters' pages. More useful than emblems, anyways. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 07:45, 17 October 2007 (EDT) P.S., Pokémon DP: Did you read my comment on emblems on the [[PP:SSB|PP]] talk?

==Giga Bowser: Not Confirmed==

Why is Giga Bowser listed as returning as non-playable in Brawl? Dark Link was removed because he is now "playable". (see [[Talk:Super Smash Bros. (series)#Dark Link??|this]]. --[[User:Gowser|Gowser]] 09:41, 17 November 2007 (EST)

== Maybe ==
Hey maybe the artical is just there as a shortcut page, I mean just think about it. [[User:Gamer2.1]]
==Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS==
We had <span class=plainlinks>[{{fullurl:Super Mario 3D|oldid=942493}} Super Mario]</span> article when there was only a mention about it by Miyamoto, why don't we have one for SSB(WU3DS)? {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}
:I was about to ask the same thing myself. Wikipedia has an article now. [[User:Magikrazy51|The Magikrazy]]. BTW, Nintendo has been thinking of putting in Capcom characters (Mega Man? Ryu?). In the meantime, I will check Halopedia, our partner, for articles on Halo 4, 5 and 6.
:::I just thinking that shall we create a separate article of the upcoming Smash Bros. game for the Wii U and 3DS? '''[[User:McAusten]]!''' '''·''' [[User talk:McAusten|talk to me]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/McAusten|my edits]] 17:42, 14 December 2011 (EST)

== Smash Bros. Universe ==

Is this real?: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/319665/smash-bros-universe-named-in-leaked-document/

It sure looks real and the name is fitting, as the "U" has the Wii U logo [[User:MarioMaster720]]

Anyone??? [[User:MarioMaster720]]

:It is my understanding that we are waiting for some sort of official confirmation on, well, anything in particular, before actually adding info on a new Smash Bros game to the wiki. Just like we didn't have an article on the Wii U before Nintendo announced it at E3, even though there were plenty of rumors circling around. {{User:Bop1996/sig}}

Yeah, but the whole point is that this might be a confirmation! I think that it is real, but what do you think? The question is: Do you think that it's real? [[User:MarioMaster720]]

:I would not consider it official confirmation that the game is real at this point. {{User:Bop1996/sig}}

== Super Smash Bros. 4 ==

Could someone create [[Super Smash Bros. 4|this article]] & then move it when the actual name comes out?

{{User:Electrical Bowser jr./sig}}

:We did that before several times. The results were always the same; deleted. Let us wait a bit longer.--[[User:Prince Ludwig|Prince Ludwig]] ([[User talk:Prince Ludwig|talk]]) 00:37, 21 August 2012 (EDT)

Simply No. There is no official title yet and very few things confirmed. In this Wiki there are rules that make this site particular and therefore don't allow the creation of articles with speculative or poorly-confirmed content, while others, like [[Smashwiki:Super Smash Bros 4|Smashwiki]], allow the creation of an article for it. {{User:Coincollector/sig}}

== Nintendogs ==

Nintendogs makes an appearance as an assist trophy in ssbb. There's no emblem for it though but he must be included. What shall we do ? {{User:JORDAN DEBONO/sig}} 09:03, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

We don't have any other assist trophies. Why is this one special? [[File:Marioart8.png|35px]][[User:LuigiBlubber|LuigiBlubber]][[File:Luigihattip.png|35px]]

:Well, this particular one came into my head. Having think about it, The Legendary Starfy should be mentioned as well. If we create paragraphs for series like Animal Crossing and DS just because there's one stage representing it, we should create these as well. So are you in or what ? {{User:JORDAN DEBONO/sig}} 11:35, 30 September 2012 (EDT)
::The only series currently represented are those with characters and stages, Nintendogs has neither. Leave that to SmashWiki. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U U.png|17px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 11:45, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

:Ok then its just that I though that if we were to do the job, we might as well do it in full that's why. {{User:JORDAN DEBONO/sig}} 12:00, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

==Tier List==
Do you think we should add the current tier lists to the Super Mario Wiki? [[User:ilovededede|ilovededede]] 19:38, 24 January 2013 (PST)
:Being a Mario Wiki, not the [http://www.ssbwiki.com SmashWiki], I think we should keep details as close to Mario as we can, and not go into Smash-specifics which the SmashWiki covers. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U U.png|17px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 12:11, 26 January 2013 (EST)

==Ridley==
Ridley is a cameo in the first one http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/File:Sbshot_ridley.jpg [[Special:Contributions/99.244.181.130|99.244.181.130]] 13:24, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

== Alternate Costumes ==

Can we get a visual chart for the alternate costumes for the Brawlers, much like how Bulbapedia does for the Pokemon characters, at least for the Mario, Yoshi, Wario, and Donkey Kong Characters? That'd be great. [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] ([[User talk:Jdrawer|talk]]) 18:13, 27 September 2013 (EDT)
:I think we should do it for all characters, not just the Mario one, as we cover nonMario stuff in greater detail than most other wikis cover Mario content. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:30, 27 September 2013 (EDT)

== Ridley in the 4th installment ==

On the [[Super Smash Bros. (series)#Non-playable Characters|Non-playable Characters]] subsection, Ridley is marked as confirmed for the 4th installment. Can someone back this up with some reference? {{User:Banon/sig}} 19:22, 23 August 2014 (EDT)

== Mewtwo DLC ==

With the confirmation that Mewtwo will indeed be in Smash 3DS/Wii U, it should be included in both the big character-by-game chart and the Pokemon section.

==Amiibo Character Unlock==
Does anyone know if scanning an amiibo for a character that is locked on a new copy of Smash Bros for WiiU & 3DS would unlock that character for actual play? - [[File:Cubeguy2ver.png|30px]][[User:Cubeguy|Cubeguy]][[User talk:Cubeguy|(talk)]]
:Huh, I'm not sure anyone has tried it yet. Wario is so far the only released unlockable, but that's on 3DS. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 14:04, 21 June 2015 (EDT)
::Yeah i was surprised when i was just sitting there playing the game and then it just hit me, why has no one tried it? - [[File:Cubeguy2ver.png|30px]][[User:Cubeguy|Cubeguy]][[User talk:Cubeguy|(talk)]]

== I'm just going to ask this here... ==

Why is there an entire database of Smash Bros. content on this wiki? I know it's not quite as comprehensive as SmashWiki but, despite clarifying on this very page that it's not a Mario game, you cover most of the details as if it is (and also have it listed as a Mario game on [[List of games]] but I digress). You even have a page for every Poké Ball Pokémon. I feel that's unnecessary for a ''Mario'' wiki. Don't get me wrong, I applaud you for all the work you've done with it. But I kind of feel it's unnecessary with [https://www.ssbwiki.com SmashWiki] being a thing. You can just link to their site. You can give each of the games and the series itself a page but I don't think pages for every item, Poké Ball Pokémon, stage, and them some is needed. On the aforementioned List of games I noticed that Minecraft has its own page but the developer links are outsourced to Wikipedia. I feel it should similarly just link to SmashWiki for all the other non-Mario related Smash stuff.

I hope this post doesn't offend anyone; I'm just putting my thoughts out there. (also first edit on this wiki xp) [[User:Aykrivwassup|Aykrivwassup]] ([[User talk:Aykrivwassup|talk]]) 20:30, 3 May 2018 (EDT)
:A proposal has (quite unfortunately) passed to remove much of it, actually, it just hasn't been fully-implemented yet. As for why we had it in the first place, because it's heavily-derivative of the ''Mario'' franchise, particularly in the name structure. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:34, 3 May 2018 (EDT)
::I understand that Mario is a major factor of it, but of course that's the case. Mario is Nintendo's cash cow; why wouldn't he be a sizable part of a Nintendo crossover fighter. That said, to be honest it could be argued that Smash derives more from Kirby than Mario. Masahiro Sakurai created both, though, so I suppose that is natural, but still. (Edit: Plus, as I said, it has [https://ssbwiki.com its own NIWA wiki].) Anyway like I said that's just my opinion. Thank you for your answer though! It is much appreciated. [[User:Aykrivwassup|Aykrivwassup]] ([[User talk:Aykrivwassup|talk]]) 22:16, 3 May 2018 (EDT)
:::And it's my opinion that Smashwiki is too jargony-diehard-oriented (how is a ten-year old supposed to know what a "nerf" is?), but that's neither here norr there. Anyway, there were no Kirby enemies in Brawl barring King Dedede's moveset, while Mario enemies were common, and more assets seem to be taken from Mario in other respects as well. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:27, 3 May 2018 (EDT)
::::Fair enough. I mean there's always Google, and SmashWiki even has its own pages on those terms but like you said it's not that important. Thanks again for the response!{{unsigned|Aykrivwassup}}
:::::Google wouldn't probably mostly show results for the toy gun company to be honest.... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:44, 4 May 2018 (EDT)

About time someone mentioned this; I'm sick of seeing all this Smash content, as if Smash is some kind of Mario spinoff. - [[User:AwdryFan1997|AwdryFan1997]]

== Persona ==

{{talk}}

:''...music from [[Wikipedia:Persona 4|Persona 4]] and [[Wikipedia:Persona 3|Persona 3]]''

Is there a particular reason 4 is first? <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy|talk]])</span> 00:32, October 1, 2019 (EDT)

:Probably not. IMO you can just reorder if it you want and I doubt there'll be much objection. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 01:01, October 1, 2019 (EDT)

== Chart Proposal: Add Roster Numbers to the Playable Characters Chart ==
{{TPP}}
I am doing a chart proposal for the playable characters in this article. I know that we have a bunch of playable characters that are in the entire ''Super Smash Bros.'' series including ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' that are getting close to less than 100 as of right now. Since ''Ultimate'' managed to give roster numbers for every playable fighters in ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'', I think by adding the roster number into the chart would help the readers since we definitely know which characters by which number they appear since the checkmarks and Xs were used for the all the games and are only listed in alphabetical order instead of organized by the roster order. 

This is my proposal for adding the roster numbers into the chart:

{| class="article-table sortable" border="1" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=3 style="text-align:center"
|-
!width=39%| Character name
!width=7%| ''Super Smash Bros.''
!width=7%| ''Super Smash Bros. Melee''
!width=7%| ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl''
!width=7%| ''Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS'' / ''Wii U''
!width=7%| ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' 
!width=40%| Series
!width=7%| ''Roster Number''
|-
|[[Banjo]] & [[Kazooie]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] (DLC) || ''Banjo-Kazooie'' series || 73
|-
|[[Bayonetta]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] (DLC) || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Bayonetta'' series || 63
|-
|[[Bowser]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Mario'' series || 14
|-
|[[Bowser Jr.]] and [[Koopalings]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||[[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Mario'' series || 58
|-
|[[Byleth]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] (DLC) || ''Fire Emblem'' series || 75
|-
|[[Captain Falcon]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||[[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''F-Zero'' series || 11
|-
|[[Charizard]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||[[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Pokémon'' series || 35
|-
|[[Chrom]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Fire Emblem'' series || 25e
|-
|[[Cloud Strife|Cloud]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] (DLC) || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Final Fantasy'' series || 61
|-
|[[Corrin]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] (DLC) || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Fire Emblem'' series || 62
|-
|[[Princess Daisy|Daisy]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Mario'' series || 13e
|-
|[[Dark Pit]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||[[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Kid Icarus'' series || 28e
|-
|[[Dark Samus]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Metroid'' series || 04e
|-
|[[Diddy Kong]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Donkey Kong'' series || 36
|-
|[[Dr. Mario (character)|Dr. Mario]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Mario'' series || 18
|-
|[[Donkey Kong]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Donkey Kong'' series || 02
|-
|[[Duck Hunt (character)|Duck Hunt]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Duck Hunt'' series || 59
|- 
|[[Falco Lombardi|Falco]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Star Fox'' series || 20
|-
|[[Fox McCloud|Fox]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||[[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Star Fox'' series || 07
|-
|[[Ganondorf]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||[[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''The Legend of Zelda'' series || 23
|-
|[[Greninja]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Pokémon'' series || 50
|-
|[[Hero]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] (DLC) || ''Dragon Quest'' series || 72
|-
|[[Ice Climbers]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Ice Climber'' || 15
|-
|[[Ike]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Fire Emblem'' series || 32
|-
|[[Incineroar]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||''Pokémon'' series || 69
|-
|[[Inkling]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||''Splatoon'' series || 64
|-
|[[Isabelle]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||''Animal Crossing'' series || 68
|-
|[[Ivysaur]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||''Pokémon'' series || 34
|-
|[[Jigglypuff]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Pokémon'' series || 12
|-
|[[Joker]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] (DLC) || ''Persona'' series || 71
|-
|[[Ken Masters|Ken]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||''Street Fighter'' series || 60e
|-
|[[King Dedede]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||[[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Kirby'' series || 39
|-
|[[King K. Rool]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Donkey Kong'' series || 67
|-
|[[Kirby]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||[[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Kirby'' series || 06
|-
|[[Link]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||[[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''The Legend of Zelda'' series || 03
|-
|[[Little Mac]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Punch-Out!!'' series || 49
|-
|[[Lucario]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Pokémon'' series || 41
|-
|[[Lucas]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]](DLC) || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''EarthBound'' series || 37
|-
|[[Lucina]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Fire Emblem'' series || 21e
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|[[Luigi]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Mario'' series || 09
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|[[Mario]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||[[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Mario'' series || 01
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|[[Marth]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Fire Emblem'' series || 21
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|[[Mega Man]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Mega Man series || 46
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|[[Meta Knight]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Kirby'' series || 27
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|[[Mewtwo]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]](DLC) || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Pokémon'' series || 24
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|[[Mii|Mii Fighters]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Super Smash Bros.'' series || 51-53
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|[[Min Min]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] (DLC) || ''ARMS''  || 76
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|[[Mr. Game & Watch]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Game & Watch'' series || 26
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|[[Ness]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]]  || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''EarthBound'' series || 10
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|[[Captain Olimar|Olimar]] and [[Alph]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]]{{footnote|main|1}} || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||[[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Pikmin'' series || 40
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|[[Pac-Man]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Pac-Man'' series || 55
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|[[Palutena]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Kid Icarus'' series || 54
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|[[Princess Peach|Peach]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Mario'' series || 13
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|[[Pichu]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] ||[[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Pokémon'' series || 19
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|[[Pikachu]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||[[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Pokémon'' series || 08
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|[[Piranha Plant]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] (DLC) ||''Mario'' series || 70
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|[[Pit (character)|Pit]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||[[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Kid Icarus'' series || 28
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|[[Pokémon Trainer]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]]  ||[[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Pokémon'' series || 33-35
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|[[Richter Belmont|Richter]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Castlevania'' series || 66e
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|[[Ridley]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Metroid'' series || 65
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|[[R.O.B.]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Robot'' series || 42
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|[[Robin]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Fire Emblem'' series || 56
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|[[Rosalina]] & [[Luma (species)|Luma]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Mario'' series || 48
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|[[Roy (Fire Emblem)|Roy]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] (DLC) || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Fire Emblem'' series || 25
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|[[Ryu]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] (DLC) || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Street Fighter'' series || 60
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|[[Samus Aran|Samus]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Metroid'' series || 04
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|[[Sheik]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''The Legend of Zelda'' series || 16
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|[[Shulk]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Xenoblade Chronicles'' series || 57
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|[[Simon Belmont|Simon]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Castlevania'' series || 66
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|[[Solid Snake|Snake]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Metal Gear'' series || 31
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|[[Sonic the Hedgehog|Sonic]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Sonic the Hedgehog'' series || 38
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|[[Squirtle]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Pokémon'' series || 33
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|[[Steve (Minecraft)|Steve, Alex, Zombie, and Enderman]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] (DLC) || ''Minecraft'' series || 77
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|[[Terry Bogard|Terry]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] (DLC) || ''Fatal Fury'' series || 74
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|[[Toon Link]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''The Legend of Zelda'' series || 43
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|[[Villager]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Animal Crossing'' series || 45
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|[[Wario]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Wario'' series || 30
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|[[Wii Fit Trainer]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Wii Fit'' series || 47
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|[[Wolf O'Donnell|Wolf]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Star Fox'' series || 44
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|[[Yoshi]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Yoshi'' series || 05
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|[[Young Link]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] ||''The Legend of Zelda'' series || 22
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|[[Princess Zelda|Zelda]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''The Legend of Zelda'' series || 17
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|[[Zero Suit Samus]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:X_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || [[File:Check_mark.svg|17px]] || ''Metroid'' series || 29
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[[User:King Marth 64|King Marth 64]] ([[User talk:King Marth 64|talk]]) 16:16, October 3, 2020 (EDT)

'''Proposer''': {{User|King Marth 64}}<br>
'''Deadline''': October 17, 2020, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|King Marth 64}} Per proposal

===Oppose===
#{{User|Scrooge200}} This seems to be entirely ''Ultimate''-based information. I'd rather have it just go on ''Ultimate'''s page.
#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} That can go on SmashWiki.
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per Scrooge, this only applies to one game so far.

===Comments===
I quickly checked Smash Wiki, and they decided not to use the numbers except for in the introductions of their Smash Ultimate character articles. Thus, I don't think this proposal can be opposed on the basis of it belonging on Smash Wiki. (This [[smashwiki:Talk:Fighter#Add_fighter_numbers|talk section]] states this directly, linking to this [[smashwiki:Talk:Fighter/Archive_3#Fighter_Numbers|talk section]], which shows the debate but not a decision. I'm assuming that a decision was reached on another page somewhere.) [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 20:27, October 3, 2020 (EDT)