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== "Circus" Theme ==
== "Circus" Theme ==


Hello, and what a Moe-rvelous ''Mario Moe-ker 2'' announcement we had today! I noticed on the wiki page that one of the confirmed themes is listed as being "Circus", presumably from the scene with the [[Banzai Bill]]s at 1:10 (in the official Nintendo video). I believe that this is a little bit Moe-sleading. The correct theme title, I think, would be "Night", for Moe-ltiple reasons. Reason one is that the "circus" theme is not a recurring theme in many Mario games (really only ''[[Super Mario 3D World]]''). However, night is a recurring theme which was not included in the original ''[[Super Mario Maker]]''. I believe that the circus aesthetic was simply applied to the "Night" theme, as the two often coexisted in levels such as [[Spiky Spike Bridge]], [[Footlight Lane]], and, obviously, [[World Bowser]] itself. Reason two is that at 1:14 in the same video, the "Night" theme is shown in the ''[[New Super Mario Bros. U]]'' style, with no circus in sight. Reason three, which may tie in to reason two, is that at 0:43 in the video, the winter theme is shown in the ''New Super Mario Bros. U'' style as well... but strangely it takes place during the daytime, per ''[[New Super Mario Bros. Wii]]''. Why would they change it... unless they wanted to differentiate the "Night" theme from the winter theme? After all, the constellations at 1:14 are taken right from the sky of [[Frosted Glacier|World 4]] of NSMBU.
Hello, and what a Moe-rvelous Mario Moe-ker 2 announcement we had today! I noticed on the wiki page that one of the confirmed themes is listed as being "Circus", presumably from the scene with the Banzai Bills at 1:10 (in the official Nintendo video). I believe that this is a little bit Moe-sleading. The correct theme title, I think, would be "Night", for Moe-ltiple reasons. Reason one is that the "circus" theme is not a recurring theme in many Mario games (really only Super Mario 3D World). However, night is a recurring theme which was not included in the original Super Mario Maker. I believe that the circus aesthetic was simply applied to the "Night" theme, as the two often coexisted in levels such as Spiky Spike Bridge, Footlight Lane, and, obviously, World Bowser itself. Reason two is that at 1:14 in the same video, the "Night" theme is shown in the New Super Mario Bros. U style, with no circus in sight. Reason three, which may tie in to reason two, is that at 0:43 in the video, the winter theme is shown in the New Super Mario Bros. U style as well... but strangely it takes place during the daytime, per New Super Mario Bros. Wii. Why would they change it... unless they wanted to differentiate the "Night" theme from the winter theme? After all, the constellations at 1:14 are taken right from the sky of World 4 of NSMBU.
Obviously, the trailer hasn't even been out a day, and so Moe-ch is still left in conjecture. None of this is proven. Plus, there are a few things which might make me reconsider. The platforms and conveyor belt at 1:10 ''do'' look awfully "circus-y", and there were some Moe outwardly "night-y" themes in ''Super Mario 3D World'', like in [[Puffprod Peaks]] or [[Super Galaxy]]. Maybe this is a new "Sky" theme outside of the [[airship]]s, or "Fog", or maybe even each game style will have one unique theme! There's no way of knowing! But as of now, a better guess seems to be the "Night" theme. Thus, I have made that edit. Anyone who wishes to dispute may, but these are my reasons. Thanks for reading,'''MOSES THE MOE-EYE''' --[[User:Moe-Eye|Moe-Eye]] ([[User talk:Moe-Eye|talk]]) 21:13, 14 February 2019 (EST)
Obviously, the trailer hasn't even been out a day, and so Moe-ch is still left in conjecture. None of this is proven. Plus, there are a few things which might make me reconsider. The platforms and conveyor belt at 1:10 ''do'' look awfully "circus-y", and there were some Moe outwardly "night-y" themes in Super Mario 3D World, like in Puffprod Peaks or Super Galaxy. Maybe this is a new "Sky" theme outside of the airships, or "Fog", or maybe even each game style will have one unique theme! There's no way of knowing! But as of now, a better guess seems to be the "Night" theme. Thus, I have made that edit. Anyone who wishes to dispute may, but these are my reasons. Thanks for reading,'''MOSES THE MOE-EYE''' --[[User:Moe-Eye|Moe-Eye]] ([[User talk:Moe-Eye|talk]]) 21:13, 14 February 2019 (EST)
:I would actually say the theme falls under the Airship category. These stages were always in the sky, after all, and additionally, if one analyzes the footage closely, there's a slight bob to the camera completely unrelated to Mario's movement. This camera behavior is an infamous behavior for the Airship theme in the original game, so it seems much more likely to fall under that category. --[[User:MissingNumbers|MissingNumbers]] ([[User talk:MissingNumbers|talk]]) 13:54, 6 March 2019 (EST)
:I would actually say the theme falls under the Airship category. These stages were always in the sky, after all, and additionally, if one analyzes the footage closely, there's a slight bob to the camera completely unrelated to Mario's movement. This camera behavior is an infamous behavior for the Airship theme in the original game, so it seems much more likely to fall under that category. --[[User:MissingNumbers|MissingNumbers]] ([[User talk:MissingNumbers|talk]]) 13:54, 6 March 2019 (EST)
::You might be right, as a Moe-tter of fact. Although it would seem quite odd. The theme in question looks quite like a circus, or maybe a train level, and that would be an odd choice to approximate for the airship theme. After all, most of the other themes would carry over quite well between game styles - underground to underground, jungle to jungle, desert to desert, and so on... but wouldn't it be a little strange to have it so that the airship theme looked like an airship in all of the first four styles, and then, randomly, like a strange circus loco-Moe-tive in the last? Making an airship shape in the other styles and then translating it to ''Super Mario 3D World'' style would throw everything off! Why not use a tank level theme or maybe even refurbish the airship theme from ''[[Super Mario 3D Land]]''? Anyway, the airship theme is still there, as per the ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]''-style clip in the trailer, and there Moe-st certainly is a night theme, as per my above paragraph, so the point seems to be moot for now. I guess we'll just have to wait until the game comes out! But I appreciate the feedback - I see your point, and it very well might be the case. Thanks for the critique - and, yeah, good eye with the camera! Until June, '''MOSES THE MOE-EYE''' --[[User:Moe-Eye|Moe-Eye]] ([[User talk:Moe-Eye|talk]]) 21:51, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
::You might be right, as a Moe-tter of fact. Although it would seem quite odd. The theme in question looks quite like a circus, or maybe a train level, and that would be an odd choice to approximate for the airship theme. After all, most of the other themes would carry over quite well between game styles - underground to underground, jungle to jungle, desert to desert, and so on... but wouldn't it be a little strange to have it so that the airship theme looked like an airship in all of the first four styles, and then, randomly, like a strange circus loco-Moe-tive in the last? Making an airship shape in the other styles and then translating it to Super Mario 3D World style would throw everything off! Why not use a tank level theme or maybe even refurbish the airship theme from Super Mario 3D Land? Anyway, the airship theme is still there, as per the Super Mario Bros.-style clip in the trailer, and there Moe-st certainly is a night theme, as per my above paragraph, so the point seems to be moot for now. I guess we'll just have to wait until the game comes out! But I appreciate the feedback - I see your point, and it very well might be the case. Thanks for the critique - and, yeah, good eye with the camera! Until June, '''MOSES THE MOE-EYE''' --[[User:Moe-Eye|Moe-Eye]] ([[User talk:Moe-Eye|talk]]) 21:51, April 20, 2019 (EDT)
:::it is not confirmed if there will be a night theme for all we know there will be a day/night toggle [[User:Wild starfish|Wild starfish]] ([[User talk:Wild starfish|talk]]) 20:06, April 27, 2019 (EDT)
:::it is not confirmed if there will be a night theme for all we know there will be a day/night toggle [[User:Wild starfish|Wild starfish]] ([[User talk:Wild starfish|talk]]) 20:06, April 27, 2019 (EDT)
::::You were right, Wild Starfish! What a prediction! I never would have predicted [[Moon (Super Mario Maker 2)|a smiling Moe-n]] would change things so Moe-ch! However... don't be Moe-staken. I never stated that there was '''absolutely definitely ''Moe-st indubitably''''' a night theme... just like the Moe-jority, I was speculating. I never said there could be no night toggle. My entire paragraph up there Moe-tally emphasized the ambiguity around everything. I even said "there's no way of knowing"! So, under the extent of my knowledge, I believe it was a reasonable assumption. ... Anyway, the Direct has come, and so Moe-ch has come to (moon)light! This makes my point above seemingly Moe-t! So thanks for the thoughtful responses, and, well... wish me luck waiting for Super Mario Maker 2's release date! I might bust! ...then again, I think I ''am'' a bust. With feet. Almost one Moe-nth away, '''MOSES THE MOE-EYE'''    --[[User:Moe-Eye|Moe-Eye]] ([[User talk:Moe-Eye|talk]]) 22:46, May 18, 2019 (EDT)
::::You were right, Wild Starfish! What a prediction! I never would have predicted a smiling Moe-n would change things so Moe-ch! However... don't be Moe-staken. I never stated that there was '''absolutely definitely ''Moe-st indubitably''''' a night theme... just like the Moe-jority, I was speculating. I never said there could be no night toggle. My entire paragraph up there Moe-tally emphasized the ambiguity around everything. I even said "there's no way of knowing"! So, under the extent of my knowledge, I believe it was a reasonable assumption. ... Anyway, the Direct has come, and so Moe-ch has come to (moon)light! This makes my point above seemingly Moe-t! So thanks for the thoughtful responses, and, well... wish me luck waiting for Super Mario Maker 2's release date! I might bust! ...then again, I think I ''am'' a bust. With feet. Almost one Moe-nth away, '''MOSES THE MOE-EYE'''    --[[User:Moe-Eye|Moe-Eye]] ([[User talk:Moe-Eye|talk]]) 22:46, May 18, 2019 (EDT)


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