Editing Talk:Rocky Wrench

<s>#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} This is more recent. I can't say the same about commonly accepted or "widely adhered" (as it is unknown), but it is indeed more recent. This is based on [[MarioWiki:Good writing]] (read Judgement calls).</s>

#{{user|Wildgoosespeeder}} I still stand by my previous votes on this recurring topic. Yes, noteworthy as a [[Koopa]] or [[Koopa Troopa]] at one point in time (I don't even remember which is appropriate anymore, but one of those terms is correct). Yes, Rocky Wrench came first and Monty Mole came second, but chronological appearance shouldn't be a determining factor of parent and child species. Same thing with naming schemes with Poo being Rocky Wrench and Choropoo being Monty Mole, as they are created as a consequence of game development and [[Super Mario (series)|installments in a series]]. A more likely explanation for the chosen naming scheme is that Nintendo didn't think ahead with naming accuracy because they were putting more focus on creating a good game. Story and continuity was a low priority for games back then. Should these bits of trivia (or future findings) define the enemies today? No. Should these details (or future found details) be included in the article? Yes, but only as trivia and nothing more, because these details are {{wp|circumstantial evidence}} at best. It is very clear that Nintendo now wants these two enemies related to each other where Rocky Wrench is a derivative of a Monty Mole as depicted by both promo and in-game artwork.

#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} I think this makes more sense from a species relationship standpoint but also a wiki organizational standpoint. There is no parent "mole" variant that neatly lists both Rocky Wrenches and Monty Moles underneath it, so we're stuck with trying to determine what's the "basic" unit of a kind of enemy, and I believe that's Monty Mole, especially in contemporary examples (hence I believe the older examples to be irrelevant). If Rocky Wrench does go back to its more derivative design, then that would open a new debate. But as it stands, I think this option still works.

#{{User|Alex95}} - Per all. (<s>And I'm waiting for this Super Mario 30th Encyclopedia book to retcon everything and say they aren't related at all just to screw us over</s>)