Editing Talk:Lightning

==Thunder Rage Disscusion==
Should we make this a sub-section of thunderbolt? You know, merge it or something? HK-47 15:48, 14 June 2006 (EDT) 

I don't think so. They are two completely items from two different genres of video games. --Son of Suns 15:50, 14 June 2006 (EDT) 
Ok, they just seemed similar. Wait! Isnt there a thunderbolt in Paper Mario!? That would make them even more similar! HK-47 15:52, 14 June 2006 (EDT) 

Actually. Yes there is a Thunder Bolt item. So...it's your call. There is also a Thunderbolt page for the item in the Mario Kart series. --Son of Suns 15:58, 14 June 2006 (EDT) 
I.... (ponders ramifacations of each option).....(ponders how to spell ramifacations correctly)... I think we should merge all three. I, however, am not confident enough to do this myself. Nor have I yet assertained(sp?) the knowledge required to complete this task. HK-47 16:03, 14 June 2006 (EDT) 

I think it more easily acssessable(sp) here. [[User:HK-47|HK-47]] 16:16, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

Just wanted to move it here. Is that okay? [[User:HK-47|HK-47]] 16:15, 14 June 2006 (EDT)
==Smooth Move==
Alright dude! [[User:HK-47|HK-47]] 16:13, 14 June 2006 (EDT)
:Ummmm....is this better? --[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] 16:25, 14 June 2006 (EDT)
::Yes it is. Did the title "smooth move" throw you off. It meant that the merge went well. Thanks! [[User:HK-47|HK-47]] 16:31, 14 June 2006 (EDT)
:::No, I understood the title. I just didn't know if you saw the last, final edit I made. I wanted to know your final approval. :) --[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] 16:35, 14 June 2006 (EDT)
::::I think its great. But you need not my aproval(sp). You're the sysop. Not me. You have more experience. I think its great. But its still your call in the long run.[[User:HK-47|HK-47]] 16:41, 14 June 2006 (EDT)
:::::While I am a sysop, I am here simply to facilitate other users. I want others to make the calls, not me.--[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] 16:44, 14 June 2006 (EDT)
::::::Okay. Did that offend you? I ask only because I can't read emotions through text. I hope it didn't. Sincce I'm calling the shots on thunderbolt merge project, I say.... it sucks. Just kidding. This is much better than before. [[User:HK-47|HK-47]] 16:48, 14 June 2006 (EDT)
:::::::No, I'm not offended. Just reaffirming your importance. :) --[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] 16:51, 14 June 2006 (EDT)
::::::::Ok cool. I found this site with some maps and sprites from a lot of games. I have to go, but if you could handle setting up some of these into some articles (like bandit's way) it would be a load off my back. Can you help? [[User:HK-47|HK-47]] 16:54, 14 June 2006 (EDT)
The site with sprites and is here: [http://www.gsarchives.net/index2.php?category=all&system=snes&game=super_mario_rpg&type=backgrounds&level0=imagemaps&alone=banditsway1.gif] 
Just in case you answer this. I must leave for now. I will be back later. [[User:HK-47|HK-47]] 16:59, 14 June 2006 (EDT)

== The original,and wider-used name is Lightning ==

The original name for the item is Lightning! Just one game calling it a "Thunderbolt",and you call it that! I'll move it to 
"Lightning".--[[User:Xterra1|<font color="gold">Xt</font>]][[User talk:Xterra1|<font color="red">e</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Xterra1|<font color="blue">r</font>]][[Special:Random|<font color="green">r</font>]][[User:Xterra1/GB|<font color="orange">a</font>]][http://www.maxthon.com <font color="purple">1</font>] 18:30, 8 July 2008 (EDT)


Just delete the current Lightning page and move it there,alnog with minor changes.--[[User:Xterra1|<font color="gold">Xt</font>]][[User talk:Xterra1|<font color="red">e</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Xterra1|<font color="blue">r</font>]][[Special:Random|<font color="green">r</font>]][[User:Xterra1/GB|<font color="orange">a</font>]][http://www.maxthon.com <font color="purple">1</font>] 18:33, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

== Mallow's Thunderbolt ==

Should it be mentioned in this article, or have it's own article? - [[User:Smashgoom202|Smashgoom202]] 08:36, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
:It's a special move and not an item, so it should have its own page. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:13, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

==Shrunken players==
While shrunk the player's size doesn't matter. That info can from the offical player's guide of the game. I made an edit mentioning that. I just wanted to state the source of that info here. [[User:Mechayoshi]]

== Minion Quest: The Search for Bowser: What to do with it. ==
{{TPP}}
Talking with [[User:Toadette the Achiever]] on [[User talk:Toadette the Achiever#Lightning|talk page]] and his responding on [[User talk:Yoshi the SSM#RE:Lightning|mine]] we came to a disagreement on what to due with it. Me wanting to have them together, while Toadette the Achiever wanting to have them split. We made our arguments on these talk pages, but I will give you a summary.
*Toadette the Achiever
**doesn't have the Lightning icon (in the history of this page)
**it's not confirmed IF it's the same Lightning (in the history of the M&LSS template)
**Green Star was strongly opposed until info about them being the same appeared
**Having them together is having [[Fire Bros. (move)]] and [[Fire Flower]] together
*Me
**it does have a similar icon (thunderbolt)
**they behave similarly to each other
**same object to fall from the sky
**having them split is like splitting the Poison Mushrooms base on appearance or Banana Peels from Bananas
**Fire Bros. (move) and Fire Flower (in the same series) are visibly different and its usage (buttons and every or one enemy) was different too, unlike this
**Even more similar to each other than Green Stars (Toadette the Achiever disagrees)
**Mario Kart item, but action is the same (and has exact same effect for teams)
*My main argument is this: It never was in the Mario & Luigi series, so it's kind of hard to say that it is different. Judging by what is in the series (thunder) and what this object does, I say that it is Lightning (main article) in the game.

Having neither of us agreeing, this became a proposal to determine what to do with this.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Yoshi the SSM}}<br>
'''Deadline''': Janurary 12, 2018, 23:59 GMT 
====Have them together====
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per what I said.
====Have them split====
#{{User|Lcrossmk8}} The captain command is a unique and distinctive move, and to have it merged with the regular item won't do it any good. Remember, the captain command is a ''move'', and the regular lightning bolt is an ''item''. Also, if it isn't confirmed to be the same lightning, we shouldn't be wasting our time debating about whether it is, and we should just keep the two split. It doesn't make sense to have the two merged.
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per Lcrossmk8. His rationale perfectly sums up my concerns about this proposal.

====Comments====
I'm not finding a Lightning move in the lists we have for ''Minion Quest''. Who uses it so I can look up some visuals? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:47, 29 December 2017 (EST)
:It is a Captain Command. For visual purposes, https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Lightning&oldid=2364857 should work. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 17:51, 29 December 2017 (EST)
::By visuals, I meant like a video of the command, but I can't seem to find one. Anyone want to help me with that? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 12:39, 30 December 2017 (EST)
:::@Alex95: From what I remember, [[Ludwig von Koopa|Ludwig]] used the command during his battle in [[Double Trouble Koopaling Caper]]. Try and see if you can find anything in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kDPEjMLqHU&index=23&list=PL7RjQqHgsQeQtmHe68lbAHBP3o8qWN7jB this video]. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 20:16, 30 December 2017 (EST)
::::Okay, thanks, I found the visuals I needed. But the deciding factor for me will be this: What does it do? Text box says "small and weak", but what does that mean exactly? What stats decrease? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 20:30, 30 December 2017 (EST)
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 == Minion Quest: The Search for Bowser: What to do with it. ==
-{{SettledTPP}}
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-{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-7|keep split}}
 Talking with [[User:Toadette the Achiever]] on [[User talk:Toadette the Achiever#Lightning|talk page]] and his responding on [[User talk:Yoshi the SSM#RE:Lightning|mine]] we came to a disagreement on what to due with it. Me wanting to have them together, while Toadette the Achiever wanting to have them split. We made our arguments on these talk pages, but I will give you a summary.
 *Toadette the Achiever
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 #{{User|Lcrossmk8}} The captain command is a unique and distinctive move, and to have it merged with the regular item won't do it any good. Remember, the captain command is a ''move'', and the regular lightning bolt is an ''item''. Also, if it isn't confirmed to be the same lightning, we shouldn't be wasting our time debating about whether it is, and we should just keep the two split. It doesn't make sense to have the two merged.
 #{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per Lcrossmk8. His rationale perfectly sums up my concerns about this proposal.
-#{{User|Alex95}} - Per my comments below. The Lightning in ''Mario Kart'' acts differently than the one in ''Minion Quest''. ''Mario Kart''{{'}}s shrinks and slows racers, whereas the move in ''Minion Quest'' also reduces other stats. The icon is also different, looks like a blue spark than a yellow thunderbolt.
-#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
-#{{User|LuigiMaster123}} Per all.
-#{{User|Astro-Lanceur}} Per all.
-#{{User|bwburke94}} The move and item should stay separate.
 ====Comments====
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 :::@Alex95: From what I remember, [[Ludwig von Koopa|Ludwig]] used the command during his battle in [[Double Trouble Koopaling Caper]]. Try and see if you can find anything in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kDPEjMLqHU&index=23&list=PL7RjQqHgsQeQtmHe68lbAHBP3o8qWN7jB this video]. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 20:16, 30 December 2017 (EST)
 ::::Okay, thanks, I found the visuals I needed. But the deciding factor for me will be this: What does it do? Text box says "small and weak", but what does that mean exactly? What stats decrease? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 20:30, 30 December 2017 (EST)
-:::::After testing Lightning out on [[Captain Boo Trial]] (I can confirm that this trial makes use of Lightning), I can confirm that it lowers POW AND DEF. HP would be ridiculous to lower due to it being their health. And they eventually return to normal. SPEED and SPIRIT are a little harder to test out. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 20:47, 30 December 2017 (EST)
-::::::Alright, that should be enough information. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:06, 30 December 2017 (EST)
-:::::::The thing is, Mario Kart has a different stats. And Lightning doesn't just effect speed. It effects weight too. While I can't confirm SPEED, there was a difference, but it very could have happen by chance or other factors. As for official confirmation, it's very unlikely Nintendo will do it. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 00:05, 31 December 2017 (EST)
-::::::::It's very possible that the skill was made as a reference to the ''Mario Kart'' variation, due to the similarities. But since it's a skill/item used in an RPG and a racing genre, there appear to be differences as well. How it's used and what happens differ between games. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:40, 31 December 2017 (EST)
-::::::::It may be the case, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to confirm it, because it's just speculation, and as we all know, speculation is the big no-no of all content on the ''Mario'' franchise. {{User:Lcrossmk8/sig}} 18:13, 1 January 2018 (EST)
-I'm still trying to figure out what's being split, too many pronouns are being used in the proposal header.... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:30, 4 January 2018 (EST)
-:The Lightning captain command action from other Lightnings. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 20:32, 4 January 2018 (EST)