Editing Talk:King K. Rool

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BUBBLES? From M&LSSS? Playable in King of Swing? - [[User: Ultimatetoad]]

:Actually, no... They're talking about Bubbles, the star of the [[NES]] game [[Wikipedia:Clu Clu Land|''Clu Clu Land'']]. I can see how that could be confusing... Maybe something should be done about it. --[[User:YellowYoshi398|YellowYoshi398]] 09:44, 27 January 2007 (EST)

oh... I clicked on the link and... wait a minute, Clu Clu Land? Thats just as weird! She's Playable? - [[User: Ultimatetoad]]

Yeah, DK: King of Swing's gameplay was based off Clu Clu Land's, so its only fitting Bubbles be in I guess. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

Trivia = Interesting.  Seeing Bowser as King K. Rool is interesting. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:When K. Rool didn't even exist at that time, and Bowser even looked less like K. Rool in the second one? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 12:49, 15 September 2007 (EDT)
::It's interesting cause it may be possible inspiration for the K. Rool design. I say keep it. Making connections like that is what Trivia is all about. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

== Long-Lost Brother ==

Well, according to the trophy of King K. Rool in Brawl, Kaptain K. Rool and King K. Rool are two seperate characters-Kaptain K. Rool is King K. Rool's brother. Should we create a seperate page for Kaptain K. Rool? http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small> http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif
:within the article it says that its only in the japanese version that they aren't the same person so don't think we need to change anything - [[User:Kamicciolo|Kamicciolo]]

::But is the trophy information of K. Rool changed in the American version of the game? Hmm...I don't think that's something any of us knows... http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif
:::Just have to wait and see - [[User:Kamicciolo|Kamicciolo]]
::::I'm assuming this is a mistake, like how Cranky's trophy says his first playable appearance is Barrel Blast. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]] 19:36, 16 February 2008 (EST)
:::::Sir Grodus: Nintendo, who made Brawl, often chooses to say that it always has been the current [[Donkey Kong}} who has always been Donkey Kong, and he hasn't had ANY playable apperances except in [[Donkey Kong (video game)|Donkey Kong]] (with Nintendo DON'T support) and [[Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast]]. {{unsigned|KingMario}} 1st March, 2008 09:26 (GMT +01)
::::::[[Princess Daisy|Daisy's]] trophy information in SSBM said she appeared in Mario Golf (A game she didn't actually appear in) instead ofMario Tennis. The trophy info were full of false info, and I don't see why it wouldn't be the case with Brawl. I think a trivia note about the Brawl trophy is good enough. {{User:Blitzwing/sig}}
:::::::I don't know about you, but my SSBM lists Daisy's first appearance as Super Mario Land. Maybe they fixed it in the European version though. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 06:51, 1 March 2008 (EST)
::::::::D'oh, I checked the Daisy article and uh, it say something completly different about her trophy in SSBM, I corrected my above post to reflect it. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 07:08, 1 March 2008 (EST)
:::::::::KingMario: Cranky Kong is playable in the GBA version of Donkey Kong Country 3 and is also playable in [[Donkey Konga 3]]; both these games were released years before Barrel Blast. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]] 21:18, 1 March 2008 (EST)
:Nintendo makes all kinds of mistakes, this is probably just one of them. {{User:Plumber/Pignature}} 18:02, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

It's really annoying that Nintendo keeps on throwing these huge continunuity loops at us... However, the Smash Bros. games, being crossovers, could easily be said to be un-canonical. I like our theory better.

On the OTHER hand, we have absolutely no evidence for ours the Kaptain/King/Baron=same person thing, do we? - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]]

:I'm pretty sure the manual of DKC2 stated "He's Back" when talking about Kaptain K. Rool. Now, since this would be his first appearance in the series if he was a brother, I'm pretty sure Rare was showing that it was the same person. This trophy error may come from the fact that, in Japan, they were stated to be brothers, while here they were stated to be the same person. {{User:Lanky kong/sig}}

Nintendo already confirmed that they are one in the same. - [[User:Korporal K. Reep|Korporal K. Reep]]

==K. Lumsy==

I heard that K. Lumsy was K. Rool's brother. {{User: Master Lucario/sig}}

I think that's just a rumor stemming from they're similar names - the only place I've heard them referred to as brothers was on that Mario Series Characters Guide website. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]] 16:43, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
:Then doesn't that make it official? Also, ''SSBB'' says that Kaptain K. Rool is King K. Rool's brother. {{User:Plumber/Pignature}} 17:57, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
::Uh, the Mario series Character guide is completely unofficial. About the Kaptain K. Rool thing, there's a discussion about it just above. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 17:59, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

== Tail... ==

*I know for a fact K. Rool had a tail in DKC and DK64, but in SSBB, his trophy has no tail at all...

Ever since PAON took over the DK series, K. Rool has been without a tail. So, yeah, King of Swing I'm pretty sure was the first time he appeared without a tail. {{User:Lanky kong/sig}}
:I can't even find pictures of K. Rool ''with'' a tail, and the DKC cartoon had him without a tail. Since I can't ever remember seeing his tail, I've often been under the assumption he just never had one. The gallery is also lacking pictures of him being depicted with a tail.--[[Special:Contributions/68.6.234.179|68.6.234.179]] 01:01, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
::He has a very minor tail in the old DKC artworks and sprites, but they were mostly hidden behind his cape. DK64 had a very noticeable tail though. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 02:34, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

== Main image ==

-The main image is from Jungle Climber, but in Jungle Climber and Mario Super Sluggers his skin was a bit yellower, so wouldn't that mean the current picture is out of date? [[User:Kount K. Rool|Kount K. Rool]] 15:43, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
:Unless there's a newer official artwork, No, it's not outdated. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 15:48, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
-I actually believe this is an outdated image. There is an image of King K. Rool in his egyptian outfit, which is from the last game he was an actual character in.--[[Kaptain Kremling]]
::1. Why are you responding to an 8-year old comment. 2. the current image is the most representative of King K. Rool that's why we use it. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:48, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

== Pharaoh K.Rool ==

He´s now egyptian, that means that kritters should call him "pharaoh" (calling king an egyptian king is actually (or more like "was") an offense for him...

[[User:Drmgin|Drmgin]] 16:27, 9 January 2009 (EST)

I don't have MSS but I strongly doubt it's directly stated that he's egyptian just 'cause he wears clothes like an egyptian. But even if he is, we '''should not under any circumstances''' change the article's name to "Pharoh K. Rool". {{User|Lemmy Koopa Fan}}

== On looking like Bowser==

I don't think this is important enough to go into the article, but in case it comes up, someone asked the Scribes if K. Rool was based on Bowser, and the answer gives was "Probably not, as one overweight lizard tends to look like another," observes DKC's designer. He has a point." ([http://www.rareware.com/extras/scribes/20dec07/index.html Scribes page for December 20th 2007]).

:I think it's interesting enough for Trivia. =) [[User:Culex|Culex]] 15:06, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

::Well I guess I'll expand on the trivia bullet that already talks about this then. --[[User:Turkishcoffee|Turkishcoffee]] 15:09, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

== Split Kaptain K. Rool ==
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{{ProposalOutcome|red|no split 0-12}}
Just recently, I was playing Super Smash Bros. Brawl and began to read the trophy descriptions. When I read King K. Rool's description, I noticed that it said, ''"'''His brother, Kaptain K. Rool''', made an appearance in the game Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest."'' Since Kaptain K. Rool is actually his brother, I propose we split them because they are two different characters with completely different roles. 

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Fawfulfury65}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' November 22, 2010 23:59 GMT

===Split===

===Keep Merged===
#{{User|Its-a-me Yoshi!}}-  It is never mentioned outside of brawl and Diddys Kong quest says its an alter ego.
#{{User|M&SG}} - Not necessary by any means, considering that Kaptain K. Rool is just King K. Rool's alter-ego.  This also applies to Baron K. Roolenstein.  Though it is pretty strange that Dr. Mario has a separate article.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - The ''Brawl'' trophy has been accepted as a mistake for years (see this page's top section, from 2008). So, until we're given a more substantial reason to split the characters, we should continue to trust that the ''DKC2'' manual at least knew what it was talking about (Kaptain K. Rool's complete description reads "The leader of the pack is back, and this time he's packing a blunderbuss! Ouch!"). Plus, splitting them will confuse tonnes of fans who just thought it was a costume change (like Baron K. Roolenstein); at least Dr. Mario has his own series and acts different from the plumber...
#{{User|Grandy02}} The Kaptain is only portrayed as separate character in Japan. I'd support if the DKC games were developed in Japan, but they were created by British developer Rare, who portrayed Kaptain and Baron as alter-egos. The trophy information was simply translated from Japanese without paying attention to the English DKC materials. If Kaptain or Baron should ever appear together with King K. Rool as his relatives, they would be worth their own articles, of course, but not just because of the trophy description.
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} Per all, this is an alter-ego that only appeared in one game and there isn't enough different stuff to talk about on it.
#{{User|Edofenrir}} - Per Grandy02.
#{{User|Mario304}} - Keep merged because King K. Rool and Kaptain K Rool are the same character in U.S. and Europe, but they are separate in Japan. Also, Per all.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Per all.
#{{User|Mechayoshi}} Just asking for stub articles. per all.
#{{User|MarioManiac}} Per all.
#{{User|Garlic Stapler}} No difference, just an alias.
#{{User|JF}} They're the same person.
#{{User|Mpeng}} We would just get another stub.

===Comments===
That would just make a stub with little info to put in it.....{{User:Mechayoshi/sig}}

@Its-a-me Yoshi!: Yes, but Brawl came after DKC2, so it is the most recent source. An official Nintendo game can't lie. {{User|Fawfulfury65}}
:The trophy descriptions can have mistakes at times, though. Baby Mario's trophy description is an example. And that's not the only one. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
::The question is whether this would be considered a joke or not. {{User|Marioguy1}}
:::What would be considered a joke? This proposal? I don't see why it would be: it's a valid question - one that's been asked many times before on this matter. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 04:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I guess I didn't notice the sections above :p. You can't really prove that it could have been a mistake, and Brawl is an official source. {{User|Fawfulfury65}}
:While Brawl is indeed an official source, I personally think that when deciding how a character not from the ''Smash Bros.'' series should be dealt with, information stemming directly from that character's series should take a higher priority than ''Smash Bros.'' trophy information if they contradict each other. Just my view on this, though.--[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 15:55, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

@MrConcreteDonkey: No, there's actually a lot to talk about if he's a whole different character. {{User|Fawfulfury65}}
:Rare didn't portray him as a different character, though, the Japanese localisation team did. --{{User|Grandy02}}

While Nintendo game are an official source the writing of King K. Rool's brother appearing as a boss in that Donkey Kong game is a mistake it seems as you fight King K. Rool in all three Diddy Kong games. it's just another of those little minor things the editors forgot to edit from the game. {{User|Garlic Stapler}}
:@Walkazo: I forgot I put that here >_> Anyways, what I meant was do we consider the brawl description a mistake or not? I don't think ~any proposals are joke proposals. {{User|Marioguy1}}

If we keep them merged, should we merge ALL the transformations of Mario and Wario to their respective users? Fire Mario IS in fact Mario, and Bouncy Wario IS in fact Wario, right? {{User|Arend}}

The Smash Bros. universe is not only non-canon to the Mario series, but there is no other known source (Japanese or otherwise) which states they are separate characters. Until we get another source on the matter, this should strictly be treated as the typical Trophy mistake. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 14:47, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I would support this proposal. {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}

== Unfeature Template. ==

<s>The unfeature template isn't a joke, I really did nominate it to be unfeatured. Go to the comments section to get the link to the new proposal. Help, how can I get it to go to the new nomination page? {{User|Koopa K}}</s>

Never mind, It has the correct link now. {{User|Koopa K}}

== K ==

the K in king K rool, what does it means? {{unsigned|82.168.159.4}}
:I don't think it means anything other than it adds a silly pun to King K. Rool's name.
:{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 19:36, 9 May 2013 (EDT)
:the K probaly stands for kritter--[[User:Luma &#38; Dry Bowser Rock|Luma &#38; Dry Bowser Rock]] ([[User talk:Luma &#38; Dry Bowser Rock|talk]]) 21:20, 2 September 2013 (EDT)
hey it might mean king kremling rool a theory so do not go that is stupid remember it is just a theory a game theory sorry watched  a little to much game theory-[[rickmaster]]

The man who created him said that the K means nothing K rool using it to make him seem important_ [[Korporal K. Reep]]

== should i ==
in the mario super sluggers section it says he is the strongest right handed batter he is also the strongest unlockable batter. should i put that down?--[[User:Luma &#38; Dry Bowser Rock|Luma &#38; Dry Bowser Rock]] ([[User talk:Luma &#38; Dry Bowser Rock|talk]]) 21:20, 2 September 2013 (EDT)

== Game name error ==

While looking at List of appearances by date section, it showed "Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest" where it should be Diddy's Kong Quest. Could someone change this please? 
I would change it but i am afraid of messing up the link area. [[Special:Contributions/173.187.35.18|173.187.35.18]] 08:13, 14 November 2017 (EST)
:I corrected it. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 08:15, 14 November 2017 (EST)
==Past==
K. Rool initially was pirate before being king. Everything is evidenced.

{{quote2|K. Rool proves he's pirate and not a sailor with yet another wrecked ship.|''Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest'' Player's Guide, page 20}}

<gallery>
DKC2DQ Gangplank Galleon Render.png
Kremkoin DKC2.png
K. Rool's Log Book.png
Gloomy Galleon ship ruins.png
K. Rool's bed.png
K. Rool's carpet.png
K. Rool (crystal caves).png
</gallery>
[[User:ChristopherPAraujo|ChristopherPAraujo]] ([[User talk:ChristopherPAraujo|talk]]) 15:38, 1 August 2019 (EDT)

:As I mentioned in my edit summary, all of this evidence references K. Rool being a pirate captain (which we already know, thanks to his Kaptain persona in ''Diddy's Kong Quest''), but nothing explicitly confirms that he was a pirate before becoming king. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 19:14, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

== King Krusha K. Rool battle? ==
Ok so as we know, the oldest unimplemented proposal on the wiki is creating boss level articles on DK bosses. One that I havent seen an article for is the battle against K. Rool in the boxing match ring. There's no specific name for the area in the game, so i guess that is why it's not been split yet. There is an [http://www.dkwiki.com/King_Krusha_K._Rool associated article] on DK Wiki that has more info than what mario wiki has. this is why i ask how we should go about splitting k rool's page. King Krusha K. Rool is the name of his boxing alias, but as we know, we should keep the aliases integrated with K. Rool's main page. If all else fails, should we conjecturally name the article "Boxing Ring (Donkey Kong 64)"? I have the dk64 guide so i'll try and see what names it gives in the guide... [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 12:42, August 10, 2019 (EDT)
:I mean... we kinda have an article on the place where you fight K. Rool [[King Kruiser II|here]]... Maybe this could be the place where we talk in details about the fight against him? --[[User:Metalex123|Metalex123]] ([[User talk:Metalex123|talk]]) 13:15, August 10, 2019 (EDT)
::I dunno, it's more about his personal vehicle. Slightly forum talk but how on earth does he fit a whole boxing arena inside the King Kruiser II? [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 13:18, August 10, 2019 (EDT)
:::I merged that info to [[King K. Rool#Donkey Kong 64]] a few months ago. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 13:52, August 10, 2019 (EDT)
::::Yeah but how about: King Kruiser II covers the vehicle, the Boxing Ring covers the boss battle, and K Rool's DK64 section summarizes his in-game role? [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 14:11, August 10, 2019 (EDT)
:::::The DK64 [[Nintendo Power]] guide generically refers to it as "boxing arena", while Prima doesn't give a specific title. The [http://web.archive.org/web/20000304171035/http://www.nintendo.com/n64/donkeykong64/dkisles.html Nintendo.com Banana guide] doesn't even give a name. Personally I'd settle this by summarizing the battle on [[King K. Rool]]'s page and the [[King Kruiser II]] articles alike, though done differently based on the subject, and then create boxing arena as the stage title. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 11:07, August 11, 2019 (EDT)
:Ok, so I decided to remove the talk header because i think a valid kong-clusion is that we should refer to its generic name--{{fake link|boxing arena}}--and make a page from there covering all aspects of the boss battle. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 14:56, August 14, 2019 (EDT)