Editing Talk:Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest

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Does anyone here think that the GBA remake of this game and the other two games should be split into their own article, like the [[Super Mario Advance]] article? {{User:Fawfulfury65/sig}}
:Personally, I even think the sections in the ''Super Mario Advance'' article should be merged with the respective games for the sake of clarity. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 17:17, 22 January 2010 (EST)

== Relevance ==

Are Donkey Kong games really all that relevant to Mario, save for the early ones for the NES? [[User:WarioLand|WarioLand]] 16:56, 26 January 2010 (EST)
:Yes. See [[Mariowiki:Coverage]] {{User:Fawfulfury65/sig}}

== FIX IT NOW! ==

I recently found the Animal buddy and Item sections are not written properly. Sombody fix that? [[User:Mecha-Boss Unit]]
:Why aren't they written properly? Also, the sections aren't even finished yet. {{User:Fawfulfury65/sig}}

==Make Diddy's Dash its own Page==
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I know that Diddy's Dash was originally its own page, and it was short, but now looking at how the page was originally created, I have plenty to add. For instance, the original place mentions nothing of Crank Kong's contribution, as he gives feedback on the player's time or stops the player if they can't finish the race within the five minutes. It's also not mentioned how the clock can be frozen if the player kills multiple enemies. Another point to add to the page would be that all DK Barrels are replaced with crate barrels, and how the K-O-N-G Letters do not appear. A fourth point is that the levels can be unlocked when the world there are in is reached in Story Mode. It's also a game mode in a certain game, I know multiple pages of game modes or mini games. 

'''Proposer''': {{User|DKPetey99}}<br>
'''Deadline''': December 24, 2013 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|DKPetey99}} Per proposal. There is plenty information to add on to the original page before its redirect. 

===Oppose===
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} I still think this can be perfectly incorporated into this article. And if that's the case, as Lefty said, then we should give Balloon Battle, Coin Runners, and Super Duel Mode its own page.

===Comments===
What makes this game mode deserving of a page more than, say, Super Duel Mode from ''[[Mario Party 5]]''? But I suppose you can compare it to [[Boost Mode]]? I've never played the game, so I can't offer much help.<br> {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 13:37, 11 December 2013 (EST)

== In The Air Tonight ==

Not sure where this would go, but is it worth mentioning that the drum beat for Bayou Boogie is very similar to the drum beat from Phil Collins's 1981 song In The Air Tonight? I know Nintendo has taken from popular songs before (New Age Retro Hippie's song from Earthbound), so I don't think it's too far-fetched. {{User|Magikrazy}}

== Boss stages ==
Since we have the ''Donkey Kong Land 2'' levels split from the ones in this game, should we also do that for the boss stages? So far, only two articles for ''DKC2'' boss stages have been made ([[Kreepy Krow (level)]] and [[Krocodile Kore]]), and they include both the ''DKC2'' and ''DKL2'' versions of these levels. Also, what about [[Stronghold Showdown]]? {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 01:47, 30 December 2018 (EST)
:Given both include differences, I'd say they too should have separate articles for consistency's sake. I was going to note that before, but forgot about it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:32, 30 December 2018 (EST)

==Title screen==
[[:File:DKC2 Title Screen.png|"Diddy's Kong Quest" is actually hyphenated on the title screen.]] Should we note this on the article? {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 13:03, September 22, 2019 (EDT)
:Sure, why not. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 13:33, September 22, 2019 (EDT)

==NA release date==
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I question the supposed [[Special:Diff/3081776|Nintendo Switch Online]] date of November 20, 1995, for the reason that we have a bunch of older official sources that contradict it. [https://archive.org/details/NintendoPower1988-2004/Nintendo%20Power%20Issue%20079%20%28December%201995%29/page/n107/mode/2up Page 102] of ''Nintendo Power'' Volume 79, the [https://web.archive.org/web/19980205061901/http://www.nintendo.com/snes/dkc2/index.html website] (archived), Nintendo's [https://web.archive.org/web/20080920223937/http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/gameslist/manuals/snes_games.pdf SNES release chart] (archived), the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDY4jNSH5cc&t=139s E3 1996 announcement for ''Donkey Kong Country 3''] (apparently), and even the North American ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl'' [[smashwiki:Chronicle|Chronicle]] all state that ''Donkey Kong Country 2'' was released in December 1995. The November 20 date was stated in a previous version of the article, and seems to have floated around the internet without a source. (For that matter, I'm also not 100% on the [[Special:Diff/3480489|November 22]] date for ''Donkey Kong Country 3'' for similar reasons, but given that the [https://web.archive.org/web/20190725200347/https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/CrcAAOSwwrFdBeNl/s-l1600.jpg E3 1996 fact sheet] seems to have been written months in advance and it's possible that the November 18 date was preliminary, and we don't have nearly as many sources stating otherwise, I'm willing to let it slide for now.) [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:38, September 3, 2022 (EDT)
:I don't think the American November 20 1995 release date is the correct one either due to the several contradicting sources. Do these other contradictory sources have reliable track records? For instance, the Chronicle from Brawl has some inaccuracies but they're attributed to other release dates such as a Japanese release date (Metroid) or a release date of another version of a game (Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream). To be clear, does "Nintendo Switch Online date"; is this actually what is listed on Nintendo Switch Online's menu or is it a misreading of dates? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 23:44, September 4, 2022 (EDT)
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 I question the supposed [[Special:Diff/3081776|Nintendo Switch Online]] date of November 20, 1995, for the reason that we have a bunch of older official sources that contradict it. [https://archive.org/details/NintendoPower1988-2004/Nintendo%20Power%20Issue%20079%20%28December%201995%29/page/n107/mode/2up Page 102] of ''Nintendo Power'' Volume 79, the [https://web.archive.org/web/19980205061901/http://www.nintendo.com/snes/dkc2/index.html website] (archived), Nintendo's [https://web.archive.org/web/20080920223937/http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/gameslist/manuals/snes_games.pdf SNES release chart] (archived), the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDY4jNSH5cc&t=139s E3 1996 announcement for ''Donkey Kong Country 3''] (apparently), and even the North American ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl'' [[smashwiki:Chronicle|Chronicle]] all state that ''Donkey Kong Country 2'' was released in December 1995. The November 20 date was stated in a previous version of the article, and seems to have floated around the internet without a source. (For that matter, I'm also not 100% on the [[Special:Diff/3480489|November 22]] date for ''Donkey Kong Country 3'' for similar reasons, but given that the [https://web.archive.org/web/20190725200347/https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/CrcAAOSwwrFdBeNl/s-l1600.jpg E3 1996 fact sheet] seems to have been written months in advance and it's possible that the November 18 date was preliminary, and we don't have nearly as many sources stating otherwise, I'm willing to let it slide for now.) [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:38, September 3, 2022 (EDT)
-:I don't think the American November 20 1995 release date is the correct one either due to the several contradicting sources. Do these other contradictory sources have reliable track records? For instance, the Chronicle from Brawl has some inaccuracies but they're attributed to other release dates such as a Japanese release date (Metroid) or a release date of another version of a game (Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream). To be clear, "Nintendo Switch Online date": is this actually what is listed on Nintendo Switch Online's menu or is it a misreading of dates? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 23:44, September 4, 2022 (EDT)
+:I don't think the American November 20 1995 release date is the correct one either due to the several contradicting sources. Do these other contradictory sources have reliable track records? For instance, the Chronicle from Brawl has some inaccuracies but they're attributed to other release dates such as a Japanese release date (Metroid) or a release date of another version of a game (Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream). To be clear, does "Nintendo Switch Online date"; is this actually what is listed on Nintendo Switch Online's menu or is it a misreading of dates? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 23:44, September 4, 2022 (EDT)
-::The ''Brawl'' Chronicle / ''Wii U'' Masterpieces dates have been known to have some inaccuracies, but I have no reason to doubt the other sources. As for what the "Nintendo Switch Online date" is, I wouldn't know. From what I can tell, only the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJONCf8QzD8 release year] shows up when you look at details? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:00, September 5, 2022 (EDT)
-:::Yeah. Either way we should correct the infobox. If we later find out it's an error from Nintendo Switch Online as claimed in that edit summary, then we can attach a refnote to it suppose. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 18:18, September 5, 2022 (EDT)
-:::A chronological list of the NES, SNES, and N64 games is accessible via the Nintendo Switch Online icon on the HOME Menu. The listed date for ''DKC2'' is indeed 11/20, but I highly suspect that Nintendo took most of these dates from Wikipedia and/or other unreliable sources.<br>
-:::November 20, 1995, is the day the game was registered with the [https://publicrecords.copyright.gov/detailed-record/9723755 U.S. Copyright Office], which might explain where that date came from in the first place. Other Nintendo games in this database usually list a publication date, with varying degrees of accuracy. For whatever reason, ''DKC2'' does not.<br>
-:::Tracking down exact U.S. release dates for pre-5th-gen games ranges from very difficult to literally impossible. Before [https://segaretro.org/Sonic_2sday "Sonic 2sday"], games just showed up in stores whenever they showed up, and dates weren't recorded. Even after that, games having precise release dates didn't become the norm until some time later. The first ''Donkey Kong Country'' was [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbHL8-XkXMA advertised] with a release date of November 21, 1994, so that's one that we know for sure.<br>
-:::All of the contemporary sources I've seen (including those provided here by LinkTheLefty) label ''DKC2'' as a December release. The most specific date I could find is from this [https://archive.org/details/ElectronicGamingMonthly_201902/Electronic%20Gaming%20Monthly%20Issue%20077a%20%28December%201995%29/page/n285/mode/1up store advertisement] in ''EGM'', which seems to indicate that the game became available on '''December 4'''. Make of that what you will.
-:::There's a lot of misinformation online regarding release dates for older games, and it's high time we try to correct it! [[User:PopeLuigi|PopeLuigi]] ([[User talk:PopeLuigi|talk]]) 20:47, September 5, 2022 (EDT)
-::::[[File:DizzyBabL.gif]] What a mess! Wikipedia has listed the November release date [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donkey_Kong_Country_2:_Diddy%27s_Kong_Quest&diff=924099862&oldid=924042288 before this edit] though the link appears broken! {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 20:52, September 7, 2022 (EDT)
-:::::I agree with PopeLuigi that the state of release date archival, especially pre-2000 (even post-2000 sometimes), is a sorry one. Not to get too off topic, but [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma3YXtpzTMI&t=745s this video] offers an explanation as to why and how a lot of online release dates got falsified that makes sense to me, though I haven't looked into this "MVC" too deeply myself as of this writing. In the case of release dates, the most reliable sources are going to be contemporary ones, even if we have to defer to third-party sources. Here, I would probably believe the ''EGM'' ad since it was printed around the time the game was set to release in stores and it offers the most precise date seen yet, due to first-party sources leaving the day out and later on doing an increasingly poor job of cateloguing exact dates. GamesRadar, the former source of Wikipedia's November claim, only came into existence in 1999, so obviously they weren't there when the game was new and you have to wonder where they got that date in the first place. And while I'm not sure if this is true about GamesRadar+, many sites that Wikipedia accepts, like GameFAQs and MobyGames, take user contributions and don't show their sources either (and their process to accept release contributions appears relatively unfiltered at that), so they're about as reliable as their user submissions. Sites like Sega Retro and their affiliates do a bang up job of digging through and displaying old magazines scans that prove a lot of online dates that have sat there uncontested over the years to be outright wrong. If a company like Sega as it turns out couldn't keep track of their flagship ''[https://sonicretro.org/2022/06/11/happy-birthday-sonic-the-hedgehog/ Sonic the Hedgehog]'', maybe ''[https://themushroomkingdom.net/smb_release.shtml Super Mario Bros.]'' isn't as resolved as we thought. But I'm getting ahead of myself. If Nintendo Switch Online is using the November 20 and November 22 dates for ''DKC2'' and ''DKC3'', respectively, I wonder if they're also using an incorrect date for ''DKC'' or others. (Also, in case there was doubt on its veracity, I found [https://web.archive.org/web/19970606094131/http://www.nintendo.com/hallway/index.html official source text] for the ''DKC3'' E3 1996 announcement referring to a December release for ''DKC2'' - navigate to E3 press release news and you'll find it.) [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:54, September 12, 2022 (EDT)