Editing Talk:Cranky Kong

== Controversy ==

Sorry to bring this up, buuut its still disputed whether Cranky was the Donkey from the original arcade trilogy. I think this should be mentioned in the article. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

True. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span>


It really shouldn't be disputed, since it was stated by Solid Snake in the Super Smash Bros Brawl codec. - Buddy

But the Mario vs Donkey Kong series state otherwise. - [[User:Jellyfloater|Jellyfloater]]

== Gran'pa? ==

In the end of DKC2 GBA, Cranky calls DK his "grandson". {{User:3dejong/sig|???}}

He refers to Donkey Kong as son and granson almost interchangebly these days. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

Phhht. And here I thought I had stumbled on something revolutionary. {{User:3dejong/sig|&^()$.}}

:Both need to be explained, as DK Jr. could be the current DK's father. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
::The current Donkey Kong is the grandson of the original Donkey Kong (aka Cranky Kong). Nintendo has actually gone back and forth (see [http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/kongtroversy.shtml]), but the current stance seems to be that he is the grandson. This means that he is the son of Donkey Kong Jr. (who has been absent for quite some time, other than the occasional sports appearance). [[User:TJ Spyke|TJ Spyke]] 17:15, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
:::Hmm... that does complicate things.  Well, until Nintendo gets its act together regarding this, I suggest we post that according to all of the sources listed on TMK saying one way he is DK's grandfather/father.  It's obvious to everyone, so I don't know why I'm saying this, but we should feel more welcome to point out inconsistencies than try to guess at what Nintendo is saying. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 00:46, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Snake's codec conversation on Donkey Kong in Brawl confirms that Donkey kong's grandfather was the Kong that kidnapped pauline and fought Mario, and cranky Kong has previously been confirmed to fill this role.  This effectively makes Cranky kong the original Donkey kong, and DK's grandfather, while Donkey Kong Jr. is now officially DK's dad.

As I mentioned in the Donkey Kong discussion section...why does it have to be one or the other? If Cranky is DK's grandfather, but raised him as his son, wouldn't that make him both DK's father and grandfather? [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] ([[User talk:Buddy Christ|talk]])




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==Merge==
Well, you could mention the great-grandfather here, but regardless he still belongs on the list of implied characters. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:11, 1 December 2007 (EST)

== Baby DK ==

It really wouldn't make sense for Baby DK to be Cranky Kong. Even given Gorillas' faster aging, Cranky would still need to be at least in his fifties or sixties to look the way he does in modern games. Whereas Mario, Peach, and the others look no older than in their thirties. On the other hand, there really is nothing saying that DK Jr. isn't the same age as Mario (he's actually bigger than Mario is in the original DK Jr. arcade, so he may have been older than we thought he was). - Buddy
:True, and since we are not lead to believe that this DK was Cranky, as we were with the DK in ''Donkey Kong'', to have that section is technically point-of-view. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:59, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

== Thanks to Donkey Kong Country Returns, there's now even more confusion. ==

Take a look at this quote from the manual: "Here's a tip from my days as a beloved hero: try rolling off a ledge and jumping in mid-air. That'll get your blood moving!" (p.14)

So on top of the fact that we can't get it straight whether Cranky is DK's father or grandfather, Retro's Cranky may possibly be an aged version of Rare's DK. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 22:03, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't mean anything. Just because Cranky Kong claims to know how to pull off a technique in DKC doesn't mean he was the playable Kong in DKC. His days as a beloved hero doesn't necessarily mean DKC either.--{{User|Knife}} 22:31, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

He probably did something like DK does when he was DKs age --[[User:Dry Bob-omb|Dry Bob-omb]] 23:21, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

That's a joke, referring to how he's like the old grouchy guy who only talks about retro games. Actually the events of other DK games are indirectly mentionned in-game (Cranky refers to how DK's Banana Hoard keeps getting stolen) so it's most likely DKCR Donkey is DKC Donkey. Plus it doesn't matter if Cranky is DK's father or grandfather, as it's a possibility DK's father died and thus Cranky raised him, which explains why he calls him both his son and grandson. [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 06:46, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

== Cranky Kong is Donkey Kong's grandfather ==
That's right, grandfathers also address their own grandsons "son" sometimes. It what happens with uncle/aunt and nephews, elders and youngsters too. But most fans think that it is obviously hinted that he was Donkey Kong's father because of ''Donkey Kong 64'', while he was just Donkey Kong Jr.'s father. Donkey Kong Jr. couldn't possibly be Donkey Kong because he is his father or probably his uncle. Don't mind Junior's appearance. He was like that since Donkey Kong was in the same game. Donkey Kong is the true successor of his grandfather, that's true.

Since Cranky Kong is currently old, it's obvious that Baby Donkey Kong is the modern Donkey Kong. There's no way Mario and other Star Children could be around the same age as Cranky Kong though due to his appearance (however, Mario and friends are several times older than he appears to be).--[[User:Prince Ludwig|Prince Ludwig]] 17:38, 7 February 2012 (EST)
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 But the Mario vs Donkey Kong series state otherwise. - [[User:Jellyfloater|Jellyfloater]]
-A friend of mine proposed that there could well be alternate timelines ala Zelda. --[[User:Horikawa Otane|Horikawa Otane]] ([[User talk:Horikawa Otane|talk]]) 21:17, 5 June 2016 (EDT)
 == Gran'pa? ==
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 Snake's codec conversation on Donkey Kong in Brawl confirms that Donkey kong's grandfather was the Kong that kidnapped pauline and fought Mario, and cranky Kong has previously been confirmed to fill this role.  This effectively makes Cranky kong the original Donkey kong, and DK's grandfather, while Donkey Kong Jr. is now officially DK's dad.
-As I mentioned in the Donkey Kong discussion section...why does it have to be one or the other? If Cranky is DK's grandfather, but raised him as his son, wouldn't that make him both DK's father and grandfather? In DKCR Cranky says to DK "Make sure to shut the gate on your way out. I didn't raise you in a barn!", indicating that Cranky did in fact raise DK, making DK his adopted son. [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] ([[User talk:Buddy Christ|talk]])
+As I mentioned in the Donkey Kong discussion section...why does it have to be one or the other? If Cranky is DK's grandfather, but raised him as his son, wouldn't that make him both DK's father and grandfather? [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] ([[User talk:Buddy Christ|talk]])
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-:Meanwhile, Melee confirms that Daisy appeared in Mario Golf. What I mean to say is, the trophies might be wrong. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>
+:Meanwhile, Melee confirms that Daisy appeared in Mario Golf. What I mean to say is, the trophies might be wrong. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif
 ==Merge==
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 Since Cranky Kong is currently old, it's obvious that Baby Donkey Kong is the modern Donkey Kong. There's no way Mario and other Star Children could be around the same age as Cranky Kong though due to his appearance (however, Mario and friends are several times older than he appears to be).--[[User:Prince Ludwig|Prince Ludwig]] 17:38, 7 February 2012 (EST)
-== Split the Donkey Kongs? ==
-It occurred to me that, since the earlier Donkey Kong technically isn't the same character as the one from ''Donkey Kong Country'' onwards, that it may make more sense to merge any info pertaining to the older, Arcade Donkey Kong from the Donkey Kong article and place it in this one. I'm not sure how others would feel about this drastic a change, though, but it would help keep the two characters separate as per the official final world. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:59, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
-:Yes, that would make sense and clear things up a bit. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 13:01, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
-== So in Tropical Freeze, is Cranky Kong called Donkey Kong's grandfather again? ==
-If so, I think it'll have been consistent enough at this point for the Wiki to stick with that, since currently Cranky Kong's relation to Donkey Kong is in the Identity confusion section, and the last time Cranky was ever called his father was by (latter-day) Rare over a decade ago. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:04, 29 April 2014 (EDT)
-==Donkey Kong Sr.==
-Given that ''Playing With Super Power: Nintendo Super NES Classics'' unnecessarily contributes to [[Cranky Kong#Identity confusion|Cranky Kong's identity confusion]], does there exist an earlier official source for the name "Donkey Kong Sr."? If not, I think it should be removed from the introductory paragraph and used only as a redirect. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:33, 7 December 2018 (EST)
-:Interesting scenario. I'm not too sure how to proceed either. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 10:55, May 16, 2019 (EDT)
-==Move Donkey Kong info to this page==
-I believe that we should merge the info from the original Donkey Kong arcade games on Donkey Kong's page to this page because most video games these days such as Mario Superstar Baseball state that Cranky was the original Donkey Kong. Only Super Smash Bros. keeps up the whole Arcade!Donkey Kong and DKC!Donkey Kong are the same guy thing and even then only halfway (the bios state they're the same guy, but Snake's codec call and the Cranky Kong Spirit battle state Cranky's the original DK). If we did, we'd do the games, remakes, Saturday Supercade, Super Mario Odyssey, Pixels and Nintendo Adventure Book Doors to Doom! [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 12:20, February 28, 2022 (EST)
-:The main reason we have the original Donkey Kong information on that page is to avoid confusing readers who are not aware of this. There are times where good organisation of information for readers' benefit is better than organising just for creators intent, and this is one of them. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 12:27, February 28, 2022 (EST)
-::This was also brought up [[Talk:Donkey Kong#Original vs. Modern DK|here]] and more recently [[Talk:Super Mario-kun Volume 2#About Donkey Kong|here]]. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:22, March 3, 2022 (EST)